Sponsor |  anonymice | Sep 3, 2006 8:41am | yeh i will. if you tell me the 6 soldiers names killed by terrorist pkk last weekend.
yehh the sileence is deafening! :p |
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Sponsor | | Hevallo | Sep 3, 2006 9:31am | Last weekend? You mean yesterday. I don't know them. Their names have not been released yet. More tragic and meaningless deaths. It just emphasises the need for a political and peaceful solution. But what has this got to do with you living in Kadifekale?
By the way. I walked through the ashes of this town, Lice.
I took this photo and saw how the Turkish army killed innocent Kurds here. Teams of flamethrowers marched through the town burning houses, shops and mosques.
I have seen what your brave 'Mehmetciks' do in the Kurdish region. Burnt over 3,000 Kurdish villages in the most barbaric of ways. Putting pieces of string around villagers genitals and cutting of ears. Beheading and burning bodies....just some of the tactics employed by your 'brave Mehmetciks' in the 'fight against terror'. Your country has no honour......you lost that a long time ago.
I reminds me what the German Nazis did against the Jews during the Holocaust.
Anyway, anon. Have a good life, I have decided not to respond to your posts anymore. Unless, that is, you have something constructive to say.
I actually do quite like Izmir by the way, but also enjoy winding you up. |
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Sponsor | | anonymice | Sep 3, 2006 10:01am | you know what, you re like a parrot . you repeat what you know over and over again.
yes, lice was burnt down. because approx. %80 of the land was occupied by pkk terorrist.they were smuggling heroin and other drugs with donkeys in order to avoid thermal cameras.nearly all of the widnows turned to bunkers by pkk to kill turkish soldiers.
it was a self defence thing, yeh, terorrist are wreaking havoc in lice and does military supposed to watch that?
it wasnt about kurdish people. it was about pkk, and the pkk occupied lice.
you gotta understand that, turkish people lived side by side with kurdish people for nearly 900 years.kurds have every right in turkey as a turkish citizen. they can work, travel, open their business.
by the way hevallo, thanks for enlightening me about kurdish people and their thoughts. for the first time in my life i looked at a kurdish people as a terrorist and as a traitor. for example, yesterday i went to get my shoes painted, i looked at the shoe painters.. and i chose the most ''non kurdish'' looking one.
thank you hevallo. you succeeded making one turkish man a racist.
pkk..drug smugglers..baby killers...bombers...and many more.
did you know the income of pkk mostly comes from DRUGS?
EVERYone knows pkk went into a phase where it wants to politicise itself.
everyone knows that, and no one will permit that. i repeat. no one. a terrorist organisation is a terrorist organsiaton. post as much politic propaganda as you want, we're not stupid you know that.
i am not a fascist. you are. you try to seperate kurdish and turkish people. but you cant. because they lived in harmony for 900 years. no one has the power to do that.
by the way, about honour...
does war have honour in it? is it a honourable thing? then pkk is very honourable! |
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Sponsor | | Hevallo | Sep 3, 2006 2:03pm | anon, that is a cruel and inhumane joke to say that the reason that the powerful Turkish army, one of the biggest in the world, backed with billions of dollars from the bad old USA, burnt Lice, a town of over 30,000, was in self defence. The reason that it was burnt down actually was because the PKK had killed a local commander and the Turkish army burnt it down as an act of revenge. To psychologically terrorise the population who you rightly explained supported the PKK.
Yes, Kurds have rights as Turks. But not as Kurds..........that is the point. I wonder would you willingly give up your identity as a Turk?
The point about drugs............have you heard of Susurluk?
Susurluk was a town where a mercedes car had an accident, in the car was found a Turkish intelligence officer a famous mafia drugs baron, a Turkish politician and a beauty queen. It showed what many people have known for years that the Turkish state is riddled by corruption and connections to heroin mafia groups. Not one ounce of heroin could be transported through the southeast without the full knowledge and support of the Turkish army.
The truth is anon is that I don't support the PKK, I have my own disagrements with their tactics and politics. But I do recognise that they do have the popular support of the Kurdish people and that if it was not for them the Turkish state would of succesfully carried out their stated aim of total assimilation of the Kurdish people into Turkish society.
So maybe it is not totally like I see it and its not totally like you see.
Maybe in between might be a better picture.
You see, you push me into being a Kurdish nationalist and I push you into being a racist when really we are not either of these.
Is there not a lesson in that?
I too want the Kurdish and Turkish people to live in harmony and peace.
Desperately want that and worry about the future.
No, war does not have honour.
But people who can overcome conflict and live together in peace do.
An honourable peace can only come when the two sides can understand each other a little better.
And by constantly labelling the Kurdish struggle as 'terrorism' does little to show any understanding. |
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Sponsor | | anonymice | Sep 3, 2006 4:13pm | as a turkish man i see only one solution, pkk to drop its arms and sit on a table with the government. you want the opposite of that dont you?turkish government to drop its arms... when that happens pkk will be legalised and will not be a terrorist organisaton anmyore..let me telle you something.. that will not happen!
well, it seems you cant change what im thinking and i cant change yours either.why argue anymore?
if a civil war erupts (god forbid), you know which side to find me (i will possibly be a sniper) |
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Sponsor | | Hevallo | Sep 3, 2006 11:44pm | The Turkish government can never be expected to drop its arms, of course.
And however it happens, for the PKK to sit at the negotiating table with the government, perhaps with some third party to facilitate negotiations is all anyone wants, for a lasting peace.
Unfortunately there are people within the government and army who do not want peace and will do anything to continue the conflict.
So whatever you and me say means nothing.
Still at least we came from shouting at each other to some sort of sensible conclusion.
Thank you for that at least.
Perhaps that alone shows there is some hope for the future.
But then again I see that I have been banned from discussing Kurdish issues in the Turkey forum. So perhaps not. |
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|  cemuzan | Jan 5, 2007 10:32pm | "Affedersiniz, lütfen validenizi de alıp gider misiniz beyefendi?" ..
Birine bunu çevirisini yaptırırsın artık hevallo..
biz neden senin dilinde konuşuyoruz..
hadi Türkçe`yi öğrende gel..
İzmir`i seviyoruz ve sonsuza kadar seveceğiz! |
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|  Serkhan | Sep 4, 2007 5:44pm | Hey yarrabbim...
İnad ettim girmiycem bu tartışmaya...
Seviyorum İzmir'i evet...
Not: Futbolun beşiğinden yırtık dondan fırlar gibi fırlayıp kolpalayan aslan parçası, gece gece nasıl ayar ettin beni. Topic'in konusu ne, sen nerdesin, nasıl da istiyorsun çatışmaları, he be aslan, he be koç, sinir basıyor artık, tansiyonum yükseldi, git bir çay demle gözünü seveyim...
Selamlar |
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